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Time to get serious now... [Nov. 7th, 2004|07:24 pm]
The California Secessionist Party
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[rayne_vandunem]
I feel that the Secessionist movement in California needs to get alot more serious than it is right now. Here are a few prerequisite notes about what California is faced with now as far as the secession the state is concerned.

----- Immediate secession is DEFINATELY not possible as of yet. California is tied WAY too much to the federal government for an easy break to occur. Financially, fiscally, economically, socially, culturally, politically, militarilly, in too many aspects, the ties are too strong for the secessionist movement to grow any further than it potentially can right now. In fact, ANY secession movement within the politically-enforced borders of the United States cannot achieve an easy break, be it in the Southeast, Texas, New England, Cascadia, Hawaii, Puerto Rico, American Samoa, or Alaska.

In order for the ties to be softened, and simultaneously loosened up gradually, the common people have to see an immediate need that would invite this option into their individual environs. Furthermore, secession CANNOT be advocated immediately, as this would be seen as extremism by the American public. Instead, an organization or bloc that advocates 1) The reduction of Californian reliance on federally-provided stuffs like funds and whatnot (replacing it all with a thriving public sector), 2) the establishment of a parliamentary and equally-representable legislature, and 3) the divestment of the executive branch of almost all power, including veto, must become politically active statewide, attracting special electoral support from the urban areas of the 8 or 10 largest cities in California (particularly Los Angeles, San Francisco, San Diego, Long Beach, Oakland, Fresno, Sacramento, San Jose, Santa Ana, and Anaheim).

I call this the California Bloc, part of the West Coast Bloc, which will also have separate branches for Washington, Oregon, and Hawaii.

What do you all think?
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[User Picture]From: ericrapp
2004-11-08 01:32 am (UTC)
Um...

Financially, fiscally, economically, socially, culturally, politically, militarilly, in too many aspects, the ties are too strong for the secessionist movement to grow any further than it potentially can right now.

The first three terms in this sentence mean the same thing. But essentially, you're right - and there are other problems as well. For instance, California may feed a lot of the United States, (from the Central Valley and the Imperial Valley) but to do so it depends on water from other sources, sources that come from places like Colorado and Arizona. They could easily shut off the water from the Colorado river. That said, there are some options.

California (along with a few other states) is helping to finance the nation. California's federal taxes amount to nearly 15% of Federal tax revenue, and we receive back only about 70 cents on the dollar. Give us those billions back, and we could quite easily finance some desalinazation plants and pipelines to feed both agricultural valleys. Oh, and also treatment plants to put the water back where it belongs once we're done with it.

Instead, an organization or bloc that advocates 1) The reduction of Californian reliance on federally-provided stuffs like funds and whatnot (replacing it all with a thriving public sector)

This is indeed an excellent idea, but currently most people and businesses pay a LOT of federal tax. Until you can find some way to make that stop, California will continue to be tied to the federal government. By begging, yes, but still tied.

2) the establishment of a parliamentary and equally-representable legislature

Well, we do currently have a state House of Representatives and state Senate.

3) the divestment of the executive branch of almost all power, including veto, must become politically active statewide, attracting special electoral support from the urban areas of the 8 or 10 largest cities in California (particularly Los Angeles, San Francisco, San Diego, Long Beach, Oakland, Fresno, Sacramento, San Jose, Santa Ana, and Anaheim).

Um... the divestment must do what? I've read this a bunch of times and I'm still not sure what you are saying.
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From: rayne_vandunem
2004-11-08 11:12 am (UTC)
That last thing...

I was saying 1) that the executive (including the Governor) should be divested of veto power and other rights like that and that 2) the organization/bloc should become especially politically active in urban areas like the aforementioned.
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From: (Anonymous)
2004-11-25 07:09 pm (UTC)

There ARE people serious about this

http://www.republicofpacifica.org

and

http://www.moveoncalifornia.org
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